1 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:08,150 [Music] 2 00:00:26,790 --> 00:00:25,429 the ufo baptism of james mosley by 3 00:00:28,390 --> 00:00:26,800 charles lear 4 00:00:29,990 --> 00:00:28,400 among the early flying saucer 5 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:30,000 investigators who stumbled their way 6 00:00:33,510 --> 00:00:31,840 through the mystery in the late 1940s 7 00:00:35,350 --> 00:00:33,520 and early 50s there were some 8 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:35,360 fascinating characters 9 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:37,200 imagine being able to meet and discuss 10 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:39,200 flying saucers with the likes of donald 11 00:01:08,870 --> 00:00:39,440 e 12 00:01:10,390 --> 00:01:08,880 with a trust fund who had just quit 13 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:10,400 princeton university 14 00:01:13,429 --> 00:01:12,000 he had enough money that he didn't have 15 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:13,439 to do anything productive 16 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:15,520 but he quickly became bored with quote 17 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:17,680 recreational drinking end quote 18 00:01:22,230 --> 00:01:20,080 and skirt chasing according to him in 19 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:22,240 his 2002 autobiography 20 00:01:26,230 --> 00:01:23,759 shockingly close to the truth 21 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:26,240 confessions of a grave-robbing ufologist 22 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:28,159 he sought a more satisfying way to fill 23 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:30,000 his days and decided on travel and 24 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:31,200 exploration 25 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:32,880 he got in contact with a well-known 26 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:35,200 italian explorer antilleo gotti 27 00:01:39,429 --> 00:01:37,840 and paid to tag along with him to africa 28 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:39,439 after his return he approached an 29 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:41,600 american explorer ken krapine 30 00:01:44,789 --> 00:01:43,439 grappine was a regular contributor to 31 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:44,799 argosy magazine 32 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:47,119 and lectured on his travels as well 33 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:49,200 mosley lived in fort lee new jersey and 34 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:51,040 when krippen came to new york city in 35 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:54,000 1953 mosley was able to meet with him 36 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:55,759 kryptine quickly realized that he'd 37 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:57,280 found a good thing in mosley 38 00:02:00,469 --> 00:01:59,200 and made use of him as a chauffeur and a 39 00:02:02,230 --> 00:02:00,479 source of funds 40 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:02,240 after becoming aware that he was being 41 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:04,560 used mosley made krippen sign an 42 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:05,360 agreement 43 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:07,200 it stated that when it came time to go 44 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:09,599 on his expedition in this case peru 45 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,160 mosley's way was paid in full while they 46 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:13,920 were waiting the idea of collaborating 47 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:16,080 on a book about flying saucers came up 48 00:02:19,670 --> 00:02:18,080 mostly recalled that the idea of a book 49 00:02:21,430 --> 00:02:19,680 had originally been crepines 50 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:21,440 and the idea that it be about flying 51 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:23,280 saucers was likely his 52 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:24,800 he'd had an interest in the subject 53 00:02:28,309 --> 00:02:27,440 since 1948 after hearing about thomas 54 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:28,319 mantels 55 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:29,920 link available in the written version of 56 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:32,480 this blog tragic experience from a boy 57 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:33,920 across the street 58 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:35,840 he quickly became fascinated and read 59 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:37,519 the books being written about this new 60 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:39,680 and evolving mystery as they came out 61 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:41,760 he read books by donald kehoe frank 62 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:43,519 scully and george adamski 63 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:45,200 those three promoted the idea that 64 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:47,440 flying saucers were from outer space 65 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:48,959 an essay that he wrote during this 66 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:51,040 period indicates that while he was open 67 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:53,120 to the idea that we were being visited 68 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:54,800 by creatures from other planets 69 00:02:58,869 --> 00:02:57,040 he was not a converted believer the 70 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:58,879 agreement was that mosley would do the 71 00:03:01,190 --> 00:03:00,480 research and crippine would write the 72 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:01,200 book 73 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:02,640 mosley went through his library and 74 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:04,480 wrote the information about the cases he 75 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:06,959 found most interesting on index cards 76 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:08,800 he then arranged them geographically and 77 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:10,800 made plans to travel across the country 78 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:12,720 and interview the witnesses 79 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:14,159 then it occurred to him that he should 80 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:16,000 find out more about the personalities 81 00:03:19,589 --> 00:03:17,680 that were becoming known in the field 82 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:19,599 these included writers researchers and 83 00:03:23,350 --> 00:03:21,599 members of the many flying saucer clubs 84 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:23,360 that were being newly organized all 85 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:24,640 around the country 86 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:26,560 mosley recalled an article it clipped 87 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:28,319 out and stuck in a scrapbook which was a 88 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:29,519 habit of his 89 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:31,200 he remembered that it had concerned an 90 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:32,959 event in 1952 91 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:35,280 and founded in the book from that year 92 00:03:37,589 --> 00:03:37,120 in june of that year a man in jersey 93 00:03:40,070 --> 00:03:37,599 city 94 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:40,080 august c roberts had taken a picture of 95 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,000 a saucer while on skywatch duty as a 96 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:44,080 member of the ground observer corps 97 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:45,760 mosley got in touch with roberts and 98 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:47,360 roberts suggested they meet at the home 99 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:48,239 of his friend 100 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:50,799 dominic lucesi both men it turned out 101 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:52,480 were members of the very first flying 102 00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:53,920 saucer organization 103 00:03:57,910 --> 00:03:56,159 the international flying saucer bureau 104 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:57,920 started by bridgeport connecticut 105 00:04:01,350 --> 00:03:58,480 resident 106 00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:01,360 albert k bender mosley was off to a fine 107 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:01,920 start 108 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:04,000 he'd managed to stumble upon two key 109 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:04,959 ifsb 110 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:07,040 members just as bender was shutting down 111 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:08,000 the bureau 112 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:09,599 according to bender he'd been threatened 113 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:11,920 by three mysterious men in black suits 114 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:14,640 and told decease his investigations this 115 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:17,280 would be the subject of the classic 1956 116 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:18,720 book by gray barker 117 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:21,359 they knew too much about flying saucers 118 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:23,280 barker had been ifsb's chief 119 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:24,160 investigator 120 00:04:28,629 --> 00:04:25,840 and would later become a good friend of 121 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:28,639 moseley's robertson luchesi gave moseley 122 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:30,320 contact information for some of the 123 00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:32,080 prominent saucers of the day 124 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,759 and talked about some of the theories 125 00:04:36,629 --> 00:04:35,759 concerning the origin and purpose of the 126 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:36,639 saucers 127 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:38,320 they also recommended that he read the 128 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:40,320 books of charles fort who wrote about 129 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:42,000 unexplained phenomena in the early 130 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:44,560 20th century mosley took notes and was 131 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:45,840 becoming well prepared for his 132 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:47,120 cross-country journey 133 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:48,960 before he left however he decided to 134 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:50,720 look into some local incidents 135 00:04:54,629 --> 00:04:52,639 and that he should meet with bender 136 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,639 mosley contacted people in the area who 137 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:56,320 had reported sightings and interviewed 138 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:56,800 them 139 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:58,400 he was particularly impressed with 140 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:00,560 associated press reporter paul pratt 141 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:02,479 who'd reported seeing a fast-moving 142 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:03,680 orange-red disk 143 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:06,320 near his new jersey home after a week of 144 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:08,000 this mosley moved beyond being a 145 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:08,720 chronicler 146 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:10,400 and participated in an actual 147 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:11,759 investigation 148 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:14,160 on october 20th in new haven connecticut 149 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:15,759 a fiery object crashed through a 150 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:18,240 20-gauge metal sign and continued on 151 00:05:22,070 --> 00:05:20,000 left behind was trace evidence in the 152 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:22,080 form of a jagged hole and embedded metal 153 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:23,120 fragments 154 00:05:26,629 --> 00:05:24,880 roberts had been up there previously and 155 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:26,639 invited mosley to come along and help 156 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:28,639 him continue his investigation 157 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:30,320 they interviewed witnesses and talked to 158 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:32,800 a local investigator joseph barbieri 159 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:34,800 barbieri had taken the damage section of 160 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:36,960 the sign removed some of the embedded 161 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:37,680 fragments 162 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:39,919 and sent them to the newly formed aerial 163 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:42,000 phenomena research organization to have 164 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:43,440 them analyzed 165 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:46,240 apro's founder coral lorenzen sent the 166 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:48,080 fragments to a milwaukee lab and they 167 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:49,840 were identified as copper 168 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:51,840 robertson mosley acquired fragments from 169 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:53,360 the signs would support 170 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:55,120 the results of the analysis roberts 171 00:05:59,029 --> 00:05:57,199 arranged also identified the fragments 172 00:06:00,550 --> 00:05:59,039 as copper with the additional detail 173 00:06:02,309 --> 00:06:00,560 that it was high grade 174 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:02,319 on their way to connecticut roberts had 175 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:04,160 told mosley more about bender 176 00:06:07,430 --> 00:06:05,840 and mostly determined to drive to 177 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:07,440 bridgeport later and talk to bender 178 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:08,160 himself 179 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,800 with his quote way prepared and quote by 180 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:12,160 robertson muchesi 181 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,160 mosley met with bender a couple of days 182 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,400 later he heard bender's story about the 183 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:18,240 three men and bender informed him there 184 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:19,600 would be an official announcement 185 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:21,759 revealing the truth about flying saucers 186 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:24,479 within the next six months mosley noted 187 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:26,080 that bender claimed to have been quite 188 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:27,919 frightened but that he himself found 189 00:06:31,990 --> 00:06:29,280 bender's claims quote 190 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:32,000 more amusing than terrifying end quote 191 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:34,080 mosley speculated about bender's claim 192 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:36,000 that he ceased his operations because of 193 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:36,800 threats 194 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:38,720 he felt it may have been a cover story 195 00:06:41,909 --> 00:06:40,240 and that bender had more personal 196 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:41,919 reasons for wanting to disband his 197 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:43,280 organization 198 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:45,120 mosley began his cross-country journey 199 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:47,280 by driving to washington dc 200 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:49,280 the first person he called was retired 201 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:50,639 marine corps officer 202 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:53,280 major donald e keough kehoe had made a 203 00:06:57,189 --> 00:06:54,960 big impact with his article 204 00:07:00,070 --> 00:06:57,199 the flying saucers are real published in 205 00:07:01,909 --> 00:07:00,080 the january 1950 issue of true magazine 206 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:01,919 his book with the same title put out 207 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:04,000 that same year was the first to be 208 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:05,680 published on the subject 209 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:07,280 they talked on the phone and kehoe 210 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:08,960 promised they could meet later that year 211 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:10,560 when he had more time 212 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:12,800 kehoe was informative but mostly got a 213 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:14,240 sense that he was holding back 214 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:16,400 because he viewed him as a rival author 215 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:18,160 when they met later mosley's feeling 216 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:20,160 about kihil was confirmed and he saw him 217 00:07:23,589 --> 00:07:21,840 as a person who made much out of little 218 00:07:25,589 --> 00:07:23,599 in order to sell books 219 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:25,599 mosley then traveled to california and 220 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:27,520 talked with frank scully author of the 221 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:28,720 1950 book 222 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:31,199 behind the flying saucers the book was 223 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:33,120 written around an alleged flying saucer 224 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:33,840 crash 225 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:35,759 he reported that a saucer and alien 226 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:37,840 bodies had been recovered from aztec new 227 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:38,800 mexico 228 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:41,520 the case had been exposed in 1952 as a 229 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:43,840 hoax perpetrated by two con men but 230 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:45,759 scully stuck by his story 231 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:47,680 the next meeting mosley wrote about was 232 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:48,879 extraordinary 233 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:51,039 he managed to interview albert m chop 234 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:53,120 and edward j rupelt together 235 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:55,440 both had been involved in the 1952 236 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:57,440 flying saucer sightings over washington 237 00:08:00,070 --> 00:07:58,080 d.c 238 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:00,080 link available chop had been the air 239 00:08:04,869 --> 00:08:02,080 force's public information officer 240 00:08:07,309 --> 00:08:04,879 who handled ufo matters and rupelt was 241 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:07,319 head of project blue book from 1951 to 242 00:08:10,869 --> 00:08:08,720 1953. 243 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:10,879 the men discussed various cases and gave 244 00:08:15,749 --> 00:08:13,520 their opinions on air force ufo policy 245 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:15,759 rupault asserted that there was no quote 246 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:16,960 planned confusion 247 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:19,280 end quote and chop added that there was 248 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:20,000 instead 249 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:22,960 quote pure stupidity end quote chop 250 00:08:25,510 --> 00:08:24,639 believed that flying saucers were from 251 00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:25,520 outer space 252 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:27,759 while rupelt did not despite their 253 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,080 difference the two remained friends 254 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:32,159 before leaving california mosley looked 255 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:33,760 into the scandal that had broken up 256 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:35,760 civilian saucer investigators 257 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:37,519 the first group to approach the mystery 258 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:40,000 using rigorous scientific methods the 259 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,919 group had been founded by three techs 260 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:43,919 who worked in the aircraft industry 261 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,480 after they saw between 30 and 40 saucers 262 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:48,240 flying over los angeles 263 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:50,560 one of the men victor black published an 264 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:53,200 article in the october 1952 american 265 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:54,560 mercury magazine 266 00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:56,880 saying the report had been a hoax black 267 00:09:01,509 --> 00:08:59,040 stuck to a story while the other two men 268 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:01,519 ed j sullivan and werner eichler claimed 269 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:03,040 that black had written the article for 270 00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:04,480 money and publicity 271 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:07,839 csi would fold shortly thereafter mosley 272 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:08,800 made his way back 273 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:11,200 east stopping at various locations such 274 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:12,800 as farmington new mexico 275 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:15,680 link available to talk to witnesses he 276 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:16,240 stopped in 277 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:18,320 independence missouri after making an 278 00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:19,920 appointment with harry truman 279 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:21,680 truman had been in the white house only 280 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:23,760 months before and had been president 281 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:25,200 during the emergence of the flying 282 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:26,480 saucer mystery 283 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:28,080 mosley got right to it and asked him 284 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:30,000 what he thought about flying saucers 285 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:32,320 his reply was quote i've never seen a 286 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:34,560 purple cow i never hope to see one 287 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:36,800 end quote finally he met with grey 288 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:38,959 barker in clarksburg west virginia 289 00:09:42,389 --> 00:09:40,480 he found barker to be awkward and 290 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,399 melodramatic when it came to the quote 291 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:44,800 bender mystery end quote he also felt 292 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:46,399 that barker was holding things back from 293 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:48,000 him as a rival writer 294 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:49,920 despite this the two ended up becoming 295 00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:51,600 lifelong friends 296 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:53,519 mosley went on to find a special niche 297 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:55,600 for himself in the ufo community 298 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:57,440 he formed the saucer club he called 299 00:10:01,110 --> 00:09:59,200 saucers all initials 300 00:10:02,630 --> 00:10:01,120 with roberts and luchesi they 301 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:02,640 brainstormed about what the initials 302 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:04,000 could stand for and came up 303 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:06,160 with quote saucer and unexplained 304 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:07,360 celestial events 305 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:10,160 research society they put out a magazine 306 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:10,880 nexus 307 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:12,800 which would become saucer news and 308 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:14,560 finally saucer smear 309 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:17,120 mosley was quote supreme commander and 310 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:18,240 quote of the group 311 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:20,320 and the editor of the magazine which he 312 00:10:25,430 --> 00:10:23,120 put out until his death in 2012. 313 00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:25,440 the magazine did contain news but the 314 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:27,040 bulk of it was made up of humorous 315 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:29,120 commentary and gossip about the ufo 316 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:30,000 community 317 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:31,839 it seems mosley found that the people 318 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:33,120 looking into the mystery 319 00:10:37,509 --> 00:10:35,200 and the dynamics among them were often 320 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:37,519 more interesting than the mystery itself 321 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:39,440 given his introduction to the community